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    sobriain
    sobriain ✭✭✭
    in Suggestions, Ideas and Improvements

    I have replaced my heating control system with Tado smart vales on all radiators.

    On my previous system there was a feature that opened and closed all TRVs at a fixed time once a week irrespective of any heating schedule in operation. This operation did not take more than a minute or two. This meant that valves not used often were opened and closed to prevent sticking.

    Could this feature be added to each of the smart schedules?

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    • sdmaino
      sdmaino ✭✭✭
      edited February 2021

      When summer comes, the valves should stay in open position. With the currently available modes, specially referring to "OFF", the valves stay closed. This is dangerous for the valves themselves, risk to get stucked, and for the pumps of the boilers which run periodically to prevent pump lock due to long inactivity.

    • Muadib86
      Muadib86 ✭✭✭
      edited January 17

      i have post a new thread with the same idea last year on the italian community

      modalità estate per le teste termostatche

      Muadib86


      Have 50 upvote, i try write here maybe the english section have more tado employee can implement this

      but i have just little hope, because some users say that is around 3/4 years they have to implement

    • sdmaino
      sdmaino ✭✭✭
      edited January 17

      Did this for the same reason: have some more visibility.

      Ciao.

    • Andras6800
      Andras6800
      edited January 17

      It is also useful in case of several Thermostats. If by this system we are focusing of money saving, it is not acceptable to run heating while AC cooling the room under the winter target temperature.


      For radiator thermostats a stuck prevention would be also great. Open and close valves in every 2-3 weeks.

    • Dietbrand
      Dietbrand
      Yes please add this feature
    • guimers8
      guimers8
      edited January 17
      Another user had a similar request, to be able to fully open valves in the as it increases the longevity of the thermostatic valves.

      So it looks like there’s multiple scenarios where this is needed. Upvoted. :-)
    • jbf
      jbf ✭

      yes ADD this please to avoid blocking during hot season

    • twostroke
      twostroke ✭
      edited January 17

      I was suprised that this isnt a feature on Tado.

      Migo has this, but when I used Migo i had old school radiator thermostats that I could simply open fully during summer when the heater was off.

      So yes ...


      A summer/winter function which turns of the heating function of my boiler (or enters a summer mode) AND opens up all the valves.

    • twostroke
      twostroke ✭
      edited January 17

      Could this be a workaround:

      • Set your heater to 'off' for the heating (i can leave the hot water function on)
      • Twist off all TRV's, that way the valve remains fully oppen (correct?)
      • Set a new shedule preset (use of the three options that isnt in use for example) with a low temperature so there is no heat being requested.

      To be clear: I'd rather like to see this implemented as a software feature/setting in the app instead of doing this manually :)

    • Haresh
      Haresh ✭
      edited January 17

      Ive also reached out to tado and asked them to have this feature.

    • MaGro
      MaGro
      edited January 17

      I asked the same question and got the following answer (Screenshot attached)

      20210215_132654.jpg


    • Pete
      Pete ✭✭✭
      edited January 17
      If the Tado actuator causes an issue then just remove it temporarily. There is zero need to replace it with regular TRV.
      Once you remove the Tado actuator the valve will be fully open.
      Additionally, radiators should not be bled with the pump running as this can draw air in, rather than letting it out.
      Finally, all rad's have 2 pipe connections. TRV valve being shut *should* not prevent the radiator from being bled through the other pipe.
      Just make sure the system is fully pressurised (and remains pressurised while being bled) and any zone valves are hooked open.
    • sdmaino
      sdmaino ✭✭✭
      edited January 17

      Summer mode

      sdmaino

      Different origin but at the end same feature. Let's upvote both !

    • sdmaino
      sdmaino ✭✭✭
      edited January 17

      "Maintenance Mode" for re-pressurising, bleeding radiators etc

      jacksonj04


      Different origin but at the end same feature. Let's upvote both !

    • armsinit
      armsinit
      edited January 17

      Definately a needed feature

    • Ben_UK
      Ben_UK ✭✭
      edited January 17
      Another workaround that I assume will work??

      Set all trv's to have no zone controller making each one an "independent trv" and therefore unable to call for heat. Open them all fully (maybe with the boost option) and neither the pump or the boiler should not switch on.

      But a feature within the app would be much better
    • RoomForHire
      RoomForHire
      edited May 2021
      Would it be possible to create a setting/timer that exercises the valves during summer, this should fully open then fully close the valve without starting the boiler. This would assist in stopping the TRV body on the radiator seizing whilst not operating for long periods
    • mperedim
      mperedim ✭✭✭

      There is a similar ask at https://community.tado.com/en-gb/discussion/comment/27691. Honestly I don't see it happening (zero feedback from Tado admins), but makes sense to upvote that instead?

    • kenneth121
      kenneth121
      Hey all,

      As you know many people end up calling an engineer after prolonged period of little to no central heating useage.

      Why, well often it's because the radiator valve pin has become stuck and won't open. We know that the tado TRVs when not in use sit in the closed position so if the valve is stuck it will likely be in the closed position after a period of non use and a build up of scale or sludge around the valve inside.

      My proposal would be a check box option in the settings of the tado app for a "trv refresh" option. This would periodically fully open and close the Tado TRVs (maybe when there has been X number of hours of no central heating activity) which then cycles all TRVs full open and then full closed ensuring the valves remain free moving over summer months and into winter.

      I think it would be a good maintenance free way to prevent valves becoming stuck which cost people a call out charge to have an engineer come out in winter when a radiator isn't heating up (you can of course free of the valve by removing the trv and pushing the pin etc but not everyone is confident in doing maintenance jobs even if it's pretty straight forward)

      For reference, I work for a central heating repair company and see this repair needed regularly, every winter.
    • Stampes
      Stampes ✭

      I live in a very old 5 floor building with old pipes and a lot chalk in the water. The chalk means the my regulators will get stock in the summer period because we basically turn all heat of!

      A great feature of TADO could be if it massaged all regulators once every day no matter if it was on or off. Just all the way in and out every day would safe me for the trouble of un-mounting all my TADO regulators each fall.

      This should be an option so you can elect this

    • Stampes
      Stampes ✭

      Probably the same as https://tado.vanillacommunities.com/en-gb/discussion/9562/prevent-radiator-valves-sticking#latest

    • pfmc
      pfmc ✭
      Hope anyone at tado actually takes this one as priority, we're talking about basic maintenance. Taking all controllers to do this and plug them back is something to avoid.
    • Jurian
      Jurian Admin
      edited June 2021

      Hi all, thanks for bringing this up.


      We have looked into bringing this feature to our customers, however during the initial concept phase we ran into some use-cases that would create confusion among users. Every point below could be fixed, however it would increase the complexity of what should be a simple feature enormously.

      • It seems that the calcification problem is more theoretical than a real problem. We have many devices in the field and after each summer, the amount of people contacting us with potential valves that are stuck in the closed position is very low.
      • Our Smart Radiator Thermostats are not fully silent, this means that if we move the motor, people will notice and would start wondering why the motor moved in the middle of summer. This means you would have to exclude this from being done in the middle of the night. But even during the day this could disturb people who are on shifts.
      • Some heating systems provide hot water all year round, and the only thing stopping a radiator from heating up is that the radiator valve is closed (district heating, or multi-family homes that are common in Germany). By opening the valve and closing it again shortly after, the radiator would heat up. Not ideal when outside temperatures are above 20 degrees.
      • What to do in a low battery situation? (Can't risk the valve remaining open because the battery ran low)

      These points (and some others) have lead us to focus on other improvements instead.

      If you are worried about calcification, you could manually take off the tado Smart Radiator Thermostat and then manually move the pin a few times. However, in our experience this should not even be needed and your valve will most likely work fine at the start of winter. And if it is stuck then, you can in most cases easily fix it by doing the above mentioned manual procedure.

    • ThatGuy
      ThatGuy ✭
      Is it possible to add as an opt-in feature?
      Especially to not disturb the average user as you explained.

      Can it be combined with an "open all" for servicing/bleeding?
    • pfmc
      pfmc ✭
      This is not actually theoretical, instead it depends on valves, water hardness and other factors, bottom line a valve can get stuck or create bedding inside if it remains in same position for a couple of months.

      This is not only about calcification! Please Tado team, consider all options here!

      Opened several valves, to find evidences of that, rubbers that had to be replaced, calcification also.

      Providing a summer mode where you tell the users what it's would clarify about sudden movements and then avoiding questions about it.

      low battery? easy, low battery comes first, you don't enable the valve while in low battery.
    • gary333
      gary333 ✭✭✭

      Surely the valve should be left fully open when the heating is turned off using the manual override function? Many boilers (including two of mine) both cycle the pump every 24 hours. It makes sense for the boiler to be cycling the water within the system to prevent it just sitting there.

    • kadeton
      kadeton
      I vote for this feature.
      This was actually one of the main features I wanted when I changed to smart thermostat’s but missed the fact that Tado doesn’t have this.

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