Thread

Luke

Thread is the future of smart home connectivity and will also help people struggling with Tado range issues.

Thread should also help grow network size without overwhelming the system as it becomes more resilient.

StevenH

Agreed.

As somebody who is just starting to build out my HomeKit environment, I'm only going to invest in accessories that support the Thread protocol. I'd like to get my heating sorted on priority but won't be buying a system / devices unless Thread support is included. I'm hoping that the Tado tech team will be able to share some information in the near future.

Luke

I’m in exactly the same boat.

I’d really like to purchase a couple of different sensors and accessories, but seeing how Thread with BLE back-up is clearly the way things are going, I’m waiting before upgrading anything more.

Philips Hue’s decision to only upgrade their hub to Thread means I won’t be getting anything more from them, unless it’s something particularly unique.

I hope Tado makes the jump, particularly as it’ll be an excellent way to solve a couple of the issues frequently referenced on the forums.

KE55ARD

I know I'm a bit late to this thread... But I've just been considering switching from Tado to Eve Thermo partly due to Thread support and partly because I have underfloor heating and the Tado valves are too wide to sit side by side on my manifold for the different zones. But considering that the Ever Thermos are actually wider that the Tados and on the off chance I can find a solution to the latter issue, I decided to check what frequency the radiator valves use and whether they could perhaps be upgraded to support Thread via a software update, and unless I'm mistaken it does look possible! As they both supposedly use 868 MHz (6LoWPAN) in Europe at least.

However in my experience I've also been hugely let down by Tado in the past. Long ago they extensively promised HomeKit support would come to the original Smart AC controller so I bought one not realising they hadn't actually put the necessary hardware in them to do it at the time. So then got burnt when they ended up having to release an updated model to actually support it. And even worse, I still have that original version, and Apple have now relaxed the restrictions on HomeKit such that they could update those original models to work, and they haven't bothered 😔

rafm5

Although no official statement, tado° have recently joined The Thread Group and now appear on their official list.

The annual fee for this is $7,500 so hopefully this will push things forward!

Rob

@rafm5 is correct. There are very clear plans to implement Thread. When and how is something I cannot really comment on though, as it isn't clear at this point.

gnet

Is there any more information on when Tado heating and hot water thermostat will support Thread? Will The Starter Kit - Wireless Smart Thermostat V3+ receive a software update to support Thread or is this to be supported in the next iteration of the product?

Rob

No update yet. I don't expect a significant update within the next few months. I expect that we will support Thread in the future. I cannot give you a 100% guarantee, but unless something very dramatic will happen, I'm confident it will come. It is however too early in the process to be very specific.

xAPPO

.....and will it require new hardware ie TRV's ?

This is important on my today buying decisions..

MichielTado

Full thread on TRVs requires new TRVs because thread uses 2.4 ghz and the TRVs use 866 mhz.

If Tado makes a new internet bridge only that is thread enabled, than the bridge is thread enabled but the TRVs are not. And then you still have a star network which does not have the range advantages of a thread mesh network. But multiple thread bridges would be possible I guess.

Ansiktet

Soon 6 months since your reply @Rob, any updates in regards of Thread?

I want to know if TRV V3+ will be compatible with Matter and Thread, when the technology is released.

I can see that you are listed as a participants at the Matter official site and as implementers on the thread official site.

So, does this mean that you'll release new hardware which supports it, or that you'll support it on V3(+) TRVs as well?

Will there be range extenders (new bridge) supporting it for the old generation of products? And an even more comprehensive implementation on let's say V4 (that incorporates thread in the TRVs etc as well). So to make it somewhat backwards compatible and even more compatible on future devices?

Jurian

@Ansiktet Unfortunately, the internal feasibility studies regarding technical / commercial viability of all the options you mentioned (and more) are still ongoing.

However, just to set expectations: Most likely, there won't be any public information about the exact Thread implementation until tado is ready for a public announcement.

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Rob

@Ansiktet

I can see that you are listed as a participants at the Matter official site and as implementers on the thread official site.

So, does this mean that you'll release new hardware which supports it, or that you'll support it on V3(+) TRVs as well?

Yes we are represented on the Thread website.

About V3+: The V3+ TRVs cannot support Thread because of hardware limitations, as far as I know. Matter is a different question, theoretically. I know there are discussions within the company about to what extent it is realistic to implement Matter for V3+. Obviously the devices were designed before Matter became a topic, and 'retrofitting' Matter is not that easy. I'm not an expert on the topic, so I have to base this on what I hear from others. However, if it were to happen, it won't be "when the technology is released" though, as our primary focus is on developing the next gen hardware that is designed for thread/matter from the beginning.

Everything else is either beyond what I can discuss here, or simply beyond my knowledge.

Ansiktet

Thanks for clearing these things out @Jurian and @Rob, appreciate it! 🙂

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Tom87PL

For me it's just form of saying that old customers won't get a Matter Support. I'm aware that thread is a Hardware but Matter is software and the whole idea is to put every smart device in one package - app.

When you say that you're focusing on next gen I thing that Matter will be supported only on new devices. It's a shame. What after another 5 years when new software will be released? Do you want us to buy new products each time? - answer is easy:)

For me good company is one which cares for old and new customers. Thats what keep people one company and buy new stuff.

Thanks, Im switching to EVE