Ideal Combi Logic+ 24 Wired Thermostat OpenTherm Installation

alex859

Good Morning guys,

I have a wired thermostat connected to an Ideal Combi Logic+ 24 on the relay interface and all is working fine. I am not able to make it work using the OpenTherm Interface. Moving the wires as in pictures and following the instructions to set up the OpenTherm interface (D01/HW on etc) doesn't work, the boiler is always ON.

Interestingly the boiler has a "Sensor readings" menu where I can see "Low Voltage Switch: ON" and "OpenTherm: Off". I'm wondering if there is any setting to change on the boiler side?

Does anyone have any suggestion?

Thank you!

tadouser1000

@alex859 I had to wire 240v to power my extension kit.. not sure if it's the same for the wired thermostat?

Is it powering up? Do the instructions state you need 240v connection in addition to OT?

Please remember not to mix the OT and 240v wires!

alex859

Thanks @tadouser1000. The wired thermostat runs on batteries, I don't think there's a way to power it with 240V.

Do you have the same or similar boiler? Did you have to change any settings on it?

tadouser1000

@alex859 ah didn't realise it was powered by batteries

I didn't have to change anything on my Ideal Logic C30 (not + model) although I don't think I have the same menus that you mentioned

Is there anything in the boiler manual on how to enable OT?

Might be worth getting in touch with Tado support to see if they can help

alex859

Yes, the manual shows how to connect the external device to the OT terminals, but it doesn't say anything about enabling it (I guess it should be enabled by default).

Tado support say they don't give instructions on how to connect the wired thermostat to the boiler and advice to call a professional installer. I have someone from Ideal coming next week for another issue, I'll ask them about this.

Did you have to install a harness to get OT in the non + model?

tadouser1000

I have the same connectors as you, no harness required

I can't remember if you need to remove the purple room stat/timer link when you use OT. Did you try removing it?


You probably have these already but you can download the wired thermostat instructions here:

https://www.tado.com/all-en/professional-manuals

alex859

Yes I tried...removing the room stat link the boiler never fires.

Thanks, yes those are the instructions I followed.

Unknown

This content has been removed.

alex859

Hi @GrayDav4276

You were right, he didn't know about TADO but said boiler wise the only thing to do is wiring the cables and then the thermostat should be configured to use OpenTherm :(

I guess I'll have to give up.

Bmenaman

Solution:

I had this boiler fitted today, I already had Tado with a wireless extension. For the record the Tado took power (230v) from the boiler and we connected the two control wires from COM/NO on the wireless extension to the RT terminals in the boiler. The opentherm terminal is bridged over.

We wasted quite a bit of time wondering why it wasn't working; it turned out the smart thermostat needed to be reconfigured.

See

https://www.tado.com/start/manuals/st/Extension%20Kit%20Manual%20-%20230V%20Relay%20Installations.pdf

wiring as per page 7 and re-configuration pages 14 and 15

see also https://www.tado.com/start/manuals/st/Wireless%20Smart%20Thermostat%20Incl.%20Programmer%20with%20Hot%20Water%20Control%20Manual.pdf

wiring as per page 6 'Combi Boilers: Potential Free'

Note: we did not use opentherm

satssss

Hi @Bmenaman

Just looking at installing the wireless extension onto an Ideal Logic ESP1 combi

Your comment has reassured me somewhat.

Am I right in thinking you were able to power the tado using the “mains in” live and neutral connections on your boiler?

Thanks in advance!

johnnyp78

I know this is probably too late but have you told Tado support you want to use Opentherm? They can enable it remotely. On my ideal vogue boiler the Opentherm connection coming from the pcb had to be clipped together - is there anything similar on yours?

Sguk

I’m trying to do the same. Tado support say as the uk kit is no longer opentherm we should wire the thermostat direct to the boiler, but they don’t support the installl.
(Then use a wireless add on in the living room)

I can’t work out of the wired thermostat needs 240v power?

At the moment we have an old Honeywell with 2 grey wires going to it, then white flex to the boiler on a normal relay

Plumber doesn’t seem to know about opentherm!

johnnyp78

I’ve answered in the other thread but all thermostats, whether wireless or wired, are battery powered.

RSTBN

My experience with Ideal and Tado has led me to believe that Opentherm doesn't exist. You have Tadotherm at one end and Idealtherm at the other. One is speaking in spanish and the other is speaking in mexican spanish. Every so often they get their wires crossed and the boiler crashes, failing over to a constant firing that negates all Tado's claims about savings.